Comments on: Semantic spam Attack http://alexander.holbreich.org/2007/10/semantic-spam-attack/ Everything becomes a little different as soon as it is spoken out loud. ~Hermann Hesse Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:43:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: shuronhttp://alexander.holbreich.org/2007/10/semantic-spam-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-2628 shuron Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:56:00 +0000 http://alexander.holbreich.org2007/10/semantic-spam-attack/#comment-2628 Hi, Thank you for comment! This is definitely not spam (And even so, i like it any way :)) :) As you mean it could be of cause done by low payed workers, but I'm a bit sceptic about this. May be you can provide some further information, or evidences pointing to it? I think that spam can be generated in automatically, and of cause "math torture" on my blog can scare only very primitive crawlers. There are no much work to do to build such one "refraiser" (imho), any good informatics student should be able to do that. :)An thank you for the tip about Spam Karma and Bad Behavior I'll try them out! Hi, Thank you for comment! This is definitely not spam (And even so, i like it any way :) ) :) As you mean it could be of cause done by low payed workers, but I’m a bit sceptic about this. May be you can provide some further information, or evidences pointing to it? I think that spam can be generated in automatically, and of cause “math torture” on my blog can scare only very primitive crawlers. There are no much work to do to build such one “refraiser” (imho), any good informatics student should be able to do that. :)

An thank you for the tip about Spam Karma and Bad Behavior I’ll try them out!

]]> By: Lorellehttp://alexander.holbreich.org/2007/10/semantic-spam-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-2627 Lorelle Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:08:00 +0000 http://alexander.holbreich.org2007/10/semantic-spam-attack/#comment-2627 This has been going on for ages. It happens in two ways. One, the spammers hire third world workers at low pay to copy and paste and twist thing around to become human spammers, or human spammers that want link juice play just enough with words to look good so the comment spam slips through by the lazy blogger, which you are clearly not.The other method is the creativity of spam bot developers, and yes, they are getting more and more creative, which requires vigilance.The best comment spam fighter right now is Akismet. With a full version self-hosted blog, back that up with Spam Karma and Bad Behavior, or at least one of them. That helps filter the filter.Also, realize that we can't "get them all". It's not possible. They keep changing their methods and introducing new ones. Akismet takes time to learn, as the community teaches it, and things slip through during the learning process, just because of the numbers. Have you looked at the numbers recently? Spam represents over 90% of comments. Some days, it's over 95%. Some will slip through, that's the nature of the process. Just mark them as spam and speed up the process of the spam on your blog being removed from mine.It's team work. :DAlso, CAPTCHAs don't work. Nor do torture tests, like the one you use. Sure it's good for a while, but they know how to get around them, as you've proven. So why bother torturing your readers? Many won't comment if they see these things.Just be vigilant and let the best tools do their work, and do nothing to interfere with the conversation. This has been going on for ages. It happens in two ways. One, the spammers hire third world workers at low pay to copy and paste and twist thing around to become human spammers, or human spammers that want link juice play just enough with words to look good so the comment spam slips through by the lazy blogger, which you are clearly not.

The other method is the creativity of spam bot developers, and yes, they are getting more and more creative, which requires vigilance.

The best comment spam fighter right now is Akismet. With a full version self-hosted blog, back that up with Spam Karma and Bad Behavior, or at least one of them. That helps filter the filter.

Also, realize that we can’t “get them all”. It’s not possible. They keep changing their methods and introducing new ones. Akismet takes time to learn, as the community teaches it, and things slip through during the learning process, just because of the numbers. Have you looked at the numbers recently? Spam represents over 90% of comments. Some days, it’s over 95%. Some will slip through, that’s the nature of the process. Just mark them as spam and speed up the process of the spam on your blog being removed from mine.

It’s team work. :D

Also, CAPTCHAs don’t work. Nor do torture tests, like the one you use. Sure it’s good for a while, but they know how to get around them, as you’ve proven. So why bother torturing your readers? Many won’t comment if they see these things.

Just be vigilant and let the best tools do their work, and do nothing to interfere with the conversation.

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